Notes re Aircraft Spotting.


EUROPE

DENMARK 5 Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2002 14:07:40 EST From: matthewsutton1@aol.com Subject: INFO Copenhagen Bed & Breakfast Hi, Hope I can help with the recent requests for cheapish accommodation at=20 Copenhagen I stopped at a good B&B on the south side perimeter road of the airport las= t=20 summer. I stumbled upon it by accident while exploring the south side=20 maintenance area. I was even more surprised as it was run by an English=20 couple. Details:- Cottage Farm B&B Nordre Dragorvej 55 2791 Dragor Denmark Tel: + 45 32 53 28 31 Fax: + 45 32 53 28 34 mobile + 45 26 20 28 31 e-mail cottagefarm@vip.cybercity.dk They even have a small web site at www.cottagefarm.dk There are no views of the airport due to the large earth mounds but it is a= =20 superb location. I would guess that the best way by public transport would = be=20 to get the same bus as for the flyvergrillen but carry on towards Dragor &= =20 get off at a junction with the Moffegrade from where it would be about a 15= =20 minute walk. Hope this helps (i'm not on commission honest!) Matt Sutton
GERMANY
1 Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2001 21:56:53 +0100 From: "michael spence-parsons" Subject: INFO Viewing at German Airports Hi folks Just come back from a six day tour of most of the main central and southern airports (log to follow) these are the current details about viewing. Apologies if this lot has already been seen before I have not checked this week`s mail yet. Augsberg AGB No Problem here floodlit ramp etc Dusseldorf DUS Main Terrace on Terminal OPEN hurrah Now has Frankfurt style X-ray machine at entrance not sure about Railway terrace(believe it`s closed). Limited views from inside Term in the restaurants. Terminal patrolled frequently Frankfurt FRA both terraces shut until further notice. able to view from T2 McDonalds although stopped +questioned twice by Police about what I was doing. Some of the Police are not Airport ones so are not used to spotters. A quick document check with no problems. The "mound by the Esprix" is open. Koln Bonn CGN Old terraces on the Konrad Adenauer building shut although you can still see most of the ramp area from behind the glass. Spotting from inside no problem although CGN is patrolled quite a lot. Stopped once for `Docs (at 0130 I would`nt blame them!!) Limited view from charter Term ,just walk outside down the Taxi-rank+ drop-off areas Asked if I knew about the upstairs views( I did) and given directions anyway Lots of Patrols inside both by Police + Army. Munich MUC the "Hill" open 24 hours via coin operated gate 2 DM per visit. Stopped once during morning as I was there at 0430(got to get the early birds!) No other probs No idea about Term, I could get most bits from the Hill + the Biz ramp is floodlit. Nurenburg NUE Terrace+ cheap restaurant closed for re-develpement Limited views from Movenpick Restaurant(Expensive too) Good view of runway from Carpark 2 can read stuff off once it`s moved even at night. Stuttgart STT Not sure about here as I was too early(again) Terrace looked as though it would be open during day (At FRA there are big notices saying closed until further notice) Good view of Term ramp from carpark 6. Alternate viewing available during daytime around the other side. Directions= Come out of the Term turn right, past the General aviation. before you get to the first bridge turn right.(road is the 312) go through the runway tunnel and take the first left at the lights. Park in the shopping centre.(this is where the locals park) Excellant view across all the ramps + views in the Biz hangars) Thats all for now I`ll post the logs shortly Mike Parsons LVAT`s roving reporter

UK From: Chris Busby Subject: Re: Redhill I have copied ny answer to the lists as it gives a guide to spotting at Rehill that everyone can use. You are correct in saying I am connected with Redhill. I am the cost accountant for Bristow Helicopters. As such I try no to go into work at the weekend! However, even without a guide you should have no problems spotting at Redhill - as long as the sun is out..... Just park near the entrance and walk round the front of all the hangars. Acebell is strictly no entry due to insurance problems, but you should be able to get everything from outside if it is open. The next hangar only has G-NUTY and G-OITN Squirrels in it and is off limits due to the valuable filming equipment in it. If it is not open, try the windows at the side. Next up is a Bristow hangar. There are a few in here, from memory try for HB-XOV Bell 214ST, G-AHBM DH.87, G-ARAN Cub and G-BVIH PA.28. It will be shut but there is a gap at the top of the door to look through. The next hangar is a store and contains no aircraft. Next, London Helicopters. If they are open they are friendly and you should be able to walk round the edge on the red walkway - but get permission first. The last block of hangars contain various bits, but the doors are like sieves so it doesn't seem to matter if things are open or closed. The very last hangar is the first to be a bit anti. They seem to dislike people noting the reg's of their Hughes 300s and sole JetRanger (G-TUCH). Do not drive round to the tower, it is across a runway and there is very little there anyway. From my office today I only saw G-BXWO PA.28 and G-BZEA Ce152. Going the other way from Acebell, there is a big hangar on the corner. This manufactuers aviation furnishings and contains no aircraft. Sitting on top of the "hill" is the main Bristow hangar. This conatined only two aircraft today, a Bristow S.76 and Bell 212 Z3-HHB. Beyond this is the parking area for the flying club where aircraft awai their next flight. On the far side of the airfield there are a couple of blister hangars. These house the Redhill Flying Club aircraft and a number of other private aircraft and microlights. Access to these is by leaving the airfield and turning right, right and right again until you find the back gate. Watch your suspension on the track and PLEASE SHUT THE GATE if it was shut when you arrive. Hope this helps everyone.
SPAIN
Date: Wed, 15 May 2002 18:10:16 -0000 From: "upp463" Subject: Re: REQ:Madrid airport hotels -urgent! Matthew I stayed at the Best Western Villa Barajas when I visited Madrid last=20 year. It has:- a shuttle bus to the airport near the metro station which also takes you to the airport you have a selection of places to eat the vantage point overlooking the taxiway is within walking distance=20 (about 5 minutes walk) (this is where many pictures are taken) its web site is http://www.bestwestern.es/villabarajas.html (sorry,=20 its in Spanish, but at least there's a phone no.) there is another big hotel further up the street but I cannot=20 remember its name. I also stayed at the Avion as the Villa Barajas was full one night.=20 Its is not so good as the Villa and I considered the main problem was=20 that it is somewhat isolated - you are stuck with eating there in the=20 hotel, unless you can use the shuttle bus to somewhere. If you wish=20 to just return to your room with a beer afterwards and not venture=20 out, its probably OK for you. Also, you can also view final approach=20 (if on westerlies on the old runway). So for the ultra keen spotter,=20 it may be ideal! The Avion is on the south side of the airport by the main dual=20 carriageway. The Villa Barajas is in Barajas town and is just north=20 of the terminal, immediately west of the old IB hangars. Good luck anyway Ray

USA
From: "Mike Spence-Parsons" Subject: Info ANSW Spotting in USA(LONG) Part 1 of 2 Hi Folks Just got back from a major trip to the North East of the States and I thought you`d all like to know the current conditions about viewing etc The log will follow in a few days time when my colleague and I have had chance to sort it all out into some sort of order. Starting at Newark. As with all US airports there is no longer gate access to non-ticketed people and from what we understand this will probably not be rescinded. There are some chairs overlooking the ramp from Terminal B but the best spot is still the Ikea carpark on the other side of the Interstate at the south end of the field. the lot is still patrolled but no ID checks were being done. Freqs for EWR GND 121.8 TWR 118.3 APP 127.6 Teterboro Both of the rough ground parking areas at the 06/24 runway thresholds are still blocked off. Try parking by the flying club by the Museum at the 24 end We stopped in here for at least 3 hours with no problems. Also we let the flying club staff know we were there/what we were doing etc and were told "You are the first people to come and ask etc etc..." Round by the back of Atlantic Aviation there is a hotdog stand (open 0800-1500) with a small parking lot allowing you to read off the ramp at Million Air without stopping on the road. The security gate around at the Falcon Jet centre is still manned and looks permanent. Freqs for TEB GND 121.9 TWR 119.5 APP 127.6 JFK Now that the main Terminal 4 is finished it is just a little bit easier here especially if you are after Jetblue. There are chairs on the upper level overlooking the Jetblue Terminal. Limited views over the rest of the Intl ramp can be got from inside but be careful. Carpark 4W is shut above level 3 so no good here,traffic at JFK is a shadow of its former self. An alternative spot when landing on 31R(Jetblue side) is the Halmar lot. This can be reached off Rockaway Boulevard.at the far end of the Cargo ramp.. Be warned however this is also the Lot for US Customs so you may get chased off.We asked at the Customs desk and he did not seem bothered about it. We stopped here for about an hour. Also available is a shopping centre apx 2 miles further down Rockaway Blvd. Jetblue scheds, you`ll see about 12/14 between 1200-1500. Freqs for JFK GND 121.9 TWR 119.1/123.4 APP 127.4 LGA La Guardia Usual spot at the top of Pier D overlooking the AA pier still OK Stopped here for 4 hours no problems. Other views from the foodcourt at the B/C pier area in then Central Term. US Air / Delta terms hopeless unless ticketed. Freqs for LGA GND 121.7 TWR 118.7 APP 120.8 White Plains. The old flying club building on the opposite side of the airport has now been demolished and replaced by a parking lot. We stopped here for about 10 minutes to read off the biz by the Terminal. Just as we pulled out we saw a Police car coming in who gave us a dirty look as we passed him. The viewing enclosure on the terminal is closed but limited views can be seen from the upper level next to the resteraunt. Good steady stream of biz and liners here. Freqs for HPN GND 121.825 TWR 118.575 APP 120.8 Out of the N.Y. area the following were visited. Philadelphia PA Best spot is still the top of the Carpark behind the terminal. Most of the food outlets in the US Air term are beyond the security gate so you`ll either starve or walk to the far end of the next terminal "D". Freqs for PHL GND 121.9 TWR 118.5/135.1 APP 123.8 Baltimore MD The inside viewing area is still open(0800-2100) daily and most movements can be seen from here with a bit of luck. Some of the left side take offs/landings can be missed unless you are quick.. Terminal heavily patrolled but no probs encountered when in Viewing area. Freqs for BWI GND 121.9 TWR 119.4 APP 119 Washington National. What was thought by me to be one of the more tricky places to view was proved totally incorrect, we "reported in" to the Information desk by the windows who seemed to know what we were going to be doing so no problems there. No Bizjets except for Govt/State operated ones are now allowed at DCA so there is not much to interest the bizjet boys anymore, also the traffic levels here are much reduced. Freqs for DCA GND 121.7 TWR 119.1 APP 119.85 Washington Dulles As above, I thought this would be tricky and so this time it proved. If visiting IAD do not use the multi storey off to the North(right side) We were up there for about 90 minutes before the local Police arrived. ID checks were done but no action taken although we we told what we were doing was "Not a good idea",we moved off the carpark to a spot between the carpark and the Terminal for the next couple of hours.. Here we were checked again within an hour by an officer+ dog who fortunately for us was an ex USAF officer based in the UK so he`d encountered spotters before. We told him that we`d be back the following day and indeed we were not stopped at all on the second day`s visit. DCA`s loss of biz is IAD`s gain and both Signature and Hawthorn had a steady procession of biz+turbos all day Thanks to Tony Orr for the directions for Hawthorn and where not to go, we saw over 120 biz in 2 visits. Freqs for IAD GND 121.9 TWR 120.1 APP 120.45 Next stop was a "through the night" run to Pittsburgh. Via Clarksburg WV for the stored Midway CRJ`s Only 11 of 20+ visible plus a few stored ex Horizon Dhc 8`s Also here were a few types of the Flexjet fleet. no freqs for here as it`s a bit quiet Pittsburgh. Two good spots here. One is the old drop off zone at the rear off the terminal. the second is from the FBO area beyond the Freight. You could probably park in the area by the FAA building without getting razzed. Freqs for PIT GND 121.95/128.3 TWR 128.3/119.1 APP 120.875 Cleveland. The old viewing deck on pier B is now closed so viewing here can be done from two places. One is from the top of the carpark, although once it got dark a security officer asked us to stand inside the stairwell rather than outside( it was cold anyway) but did NOT ask us to leave. The second place is at the far end of the Fedex ramp next to the fire station. Freqs for CLE GND 121.7 TWR 120.9 APP 124.0 Cincinnatti Viewing here is a lot easier when there is not a snowstorm!!!!!!!. Carpark viewing is not a problem apart from -20c windchill and as long as they are landing towards the terminal from behind the carpark you should be able to see everything. The viewing area by 36R is open. Freqs for CVG GND 121.7(W) 121.3(E) TWR 118.3/118.875 APP 119.7 Louisville Good for a UPS "heavy" hunt for A300 767/747 and MD11`s but a bit frustrating for the lack of 757/727 Good FBO here but the road system to get to it could be a bit tricky. One of the UPS ramps is hidden but the "Big" stuff is easy to get when no heat haze. Take pot luck when driving around the area as any side roads can be useful for viewing. Freqs for SDF GND 121.7 TWR 123.675 APP 132.075 LOUISVILLE: Head for Terminal and just before going up to dep level keep hard right and follow signs to cargo which eventually leads to Crittenden Road which is a dead end but runs alongside the runway and you can look across the field and see part of the terminal.Carrying on down here you can go in FDX car park, and then go right to very end of Crittenden where there is a turning circle and I sat here for awhile.You can see across to the UPS ramps but you cant identify everything as they park across one another. To get to the GA and see more of UPS go back to I-264 eastbound and turn southbound onto I-65 leaving at J130B which is Grade Lane.Down the exit ramp and turn left at the lights,go back under freeway turn left and left again into Standiford road and then turn right and GA is right in front of you From here you can see across the field again and see all the GA ramp.Turn right at the exit ramp lights and the road winds round, along here i pulled into the fire station to read things off, eventually coming to UPS car parks/maintenance areas.I got stopped here by security(it was 1am) and told it was a private road so i left and went back to Crittenden Rd where later I was checked by the police and he was very nice,even showed me where to park out of the way at the end of crittenden. Indianapolis. Easy field to view at. Follow signs for the International Terminal as this is across the airport from all the domestic stuff and the old parking lot by the fence is FREE and you can sit here for quite a while without getting razzed. 3 parallel runways here so you`ll need a good "pole" to get them. Sizable FBO`s on both sides and a huge Fedex depot as well, all can be got from either end. Freqs for IND GND 121.8 TWR 120.9 APP 119.3 Indianapolis(Clark County) Only visited because it was signposted off the freeway. Small GA field has at least two Biz capable hangars one of which contained 4 learjets. (Any ideas please!!!) Thats all for Part 1 Chicago and the frozen north to come when we`ve thawed out. Rgds Mike Parsons Stephen Parker. day there, Didn`t go to TB. LAX busy most of time. Sun up was at 0600 local and down at 1800. Try and get to the AA & FedEX maintenance areas (central area) via 24th Street heading east and north from LAX terminals. Also takes you past the biz jet park and around to the north side of the field to Garret Biz area and freight areas. PHX busy all the time. Very good for America West & South West, Fed Ex etc. Ontario for UPS, John Wayne for airline traffic that keeps away from LAX. Logged over 80% of AW & SW fleets during our stay. regards, colin ________________________________________________
Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 18:38:04 EST From: Bowellair@aol.com Subject: USA Spotting G`day each, Recently returned from US West coast. No problems @ LAX. Good viewing from International Terminal Carpark. Occasional visit from security, with request that we keep away from perimet er wall so as not to alarm jo-public. Food, drink & loos on hand in terminal. Don`t try to get into any other terminal unless you have the relevant ticke t /boarding pass. Stayed at Motel 6 on Century Boulevard, with armchair views of 270L/R landi ng traffic from "front" rooms of 8th floor. Free bus service to LAX (10 mins). Went out via Charlotte. Good views from terminal piers as one has the all important boarding pass for the internal flight etc. Came home via Pittsburgh, same as above. It helps to be a little discreet a nd to inform the " on site Gate Security." Victorville & Mojave. At present there are no over-flights available from nearby Lancaster Airport due to re-certification of the aircraft. No in-house ground tours either due to presence of KC135`s. Fairly good views of all the stored aircraft can be had from motoring around d the perimeter roads and tracks. This is also the case for Kingman, Scotsdale, Long Beach, John Wayne, Burbank, San Diego and Ontario Airports. Phoenix. Best all-round views from top of terminal 3 carpark . again no problems with security. one or two local spotters also present here. Tucson. Entrance to the new terminal restricted to those persons holding th e all important ticket/boarding pass. A car is essential. Over flights of Marana, Avra Valley available from "Double Eagle Aviation" to be found at 6961 South Apron Drive Tucson Az. Fone 520.294.8214, Fax 520 573.1805, or at www.2-eagle.com. Ask for Phyllis Tempero (our very obliging pilot, a double pass down Marana runway at 200ft, yes 200 ft, great for photos.) However Davis Monthan is another story, No closer than 5000ft allowed and that is having submitted a flight plan for some distant "hill" with DM just happening to be enroute. Views of DM inmates from the road have not been helped by the new earth banking. We found all the locals very obliging, on several occasions commenting that they thought us to just plane crazy. Our party of 3 all agree that it would appear to be an advantage to be an "old fart", no disrespect to the UK RFU intended. That's` all folks, regards, Colin
Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 19:35:35 +0000 From: KEITH D Subject: MOJAVE OVERFLIGHTS / DETAILS Hi Guys had several req.'s about over flights since returning at time of reply I had no answer so to all who asked here's the answer http://www.airnav.com/airport/KWJF go to bottom of page there is a list click your choice and it provides phone/fax details etc. cheers for now Keith D. --=20 KEITH D

South America EZE 03/03/02 As in previous reports this place is almost spotter proof, on landing we noted five AR B737's trying everything from mini bins to bazooka pole we still could not read them off whilst we were taxing in, we also saw three md88 again with no luck what so ever!!!, not the best of starts to our trip= .. Full log, EZE 03/03/02(Buenos Aires Ministro Pistarini) and yes I can think of a better name for the place!!!! LV-YPC B747 PT-MQI F100 LV-ZXC B737 LV-ZPJ A340 WOW an amazing trip so far......So, on reading other reports from other listers, we did try all the usual places,cafes, stairwells,we failed to fin= d the restaurant in terminal 1. So we jumped into a Taxi accross the city to to AEP Aero parc,driving past the maintainace area on the way, I for one would return there on the way back I promised myself, it cost us 26pesos a bargin as it was 36 in the terminal. We stopped at the Microtel inn Buenos Aires Aero Park Airport 0011541148036002 http://www.microtelinn.com/ =A347.39 per night for three Brummies(it might = be a bit more for adults). so we checked in to the hotel,and walked out of the complex, a five mins walk to the perimeter fence (you can pole off and spot all the way along this fence, no problems where encountered,lots of locals having picnics, another five to the museum (closed)note there is a military terminal next t= o the museum, abit of discreation is advised whist walking past here.and another ten to the terminal. The museum has a few aircraft in it, and had it been open we would have spotted there all the time as it has raised viewing platforms (superb for photography etc).. Museo Nacional De Aeronautica civil Types only (T-149) JU52/3M 4043 TC-330 B170 12751 TA-05 DC3/C47 4365 T-45?? DC-? in a small building nose sticking out AEP Aeroparque J Newbery.. Again fairly modern terminal. we tried all points in the terminal logged a couple from the fast food area,NB lots of security moping around!!They have bult a new multi story carpark no views unless you go on the roof (not advisable) we continued to what became our home for the next two days, at the end of the terminal walk outside(by the taxi rank) you can view the apron and taxiway, we sat by a small memorial to a crash aircraft, a few trees etc to give you a bit of cover from the terminal guards etc. there is a six foot fence, you can stand on the fence and take photo's very easy, the locals try to sit on it!!!!! no problems where encoutered here at all,with bins,poles and camera's (superb for photography) again we were alert all the time, but a lot of the locals had camera's, camcorder and one guy braught the a TV style camera o= n a very large trypod and stuck out like a sore thumb , he was carted off but again after speaking to somebody in the terminal he stayed there for some time. 1000-1800 aprox full log. LV-ZTG B737 AR LV-ZRO B737 AR LV-WGU DC-9 all white one engine ex Austral I presume LV-ZXY B737 D7 LV-ZLZ DHC-8 A4 LV-ZPW B737 ARG J31 LV-ZTE B737 AU LV-ZYJ B737/2 American Falcon LV-??? B737/2 """""""""""" stuck in shed for two days how many B737 have they got??? LV-ZRC B737 MJ LV-WRM DC-9 AU LV-ZRL J31 ARG new scheme VP-CZT BBJ LV-WTN C650 LV-ZTC CRJ A4 LV-ZYG B737 AR LV-ZSW B727 AR LV-YNA DC-9 D7 LV-LEB B737 AR LV-ZTH L/J25 CX-BOO B737 PU/PUA TC-74 F27 Argentinian Airforce LV-ZXV B737 AU LV-ZSN B737/7 MJ LV-ZRE B737 AR LV-ZHX B737/7 MJ LV-VGF B737 MJ/ ARG new scheme CX-BON B737 PU T-10 L/J60 LV-WGN MD83 AU LV-ZXG B737/7 MJ LV-ZTB CRJ A4 LV-ZPM DHC-8 A4 LV-YLB CL6 LV-WPE BJ400 LV-ZTI B737 AU LV-YMB L/J31 LV-OEL L/J25 LV-ZHX B737 AU LV-YTC DHC-8 A4 LV-ZXP B737/2 AU LV-ZTX B737 AU LV-RBO F27 CATA LV-ZXS B737 D7 T-03 F28 LV-WDR CIT 5 LV-YZA B737 MJ LV-ZXE DC-9 D7 LV-WSH B737 MJ LV-WHZ Jetcom derelict at the side of the CATA shed LV-WSU B737 MJ/ARG new scheme LV-YGB B737 MJ LV-ASV F27 CATA LV-WPY DC-9 AU LV-ZPZ J31 aerovip (RED) LV-ZSB J31 ditto LV-WSY B737 AR LV-ZYN B737 AR LV-YBS B737 MJ/ARG new scheme LV-JTO B737 AR LV-WTX B737 AR LV-WSH B737 MJ LV-ZXB B737 AU LV-ZYI B737 AU LV-ZXU B737 AR LV-ZTT B737 AR LV-ZON B737 MJ not very busy and most aircraft repeated but on the plus side a full day of hassle free spotting. we walked back to the hotel en route we meet a spotter who has been out there for a couple of weeks touring SA, the man with no name, so if any of you listers has a freind out the at the moment he is alive and well. We ate at the "Dixie Diner Burger chips and beer for next to nothing(thanks Graham ) and retired for the first time in three days . part two to follow. cheers H@BHX. Monster Hunter ... "they can fly but they cannot hide" H1 BHX Rover 220Coupe Turbo. BHX INFO 24 HOUR 07976726552 All information contained within this email is copyright H@BHX26/08/84. and can be used provided I am accredited as such, no responsibility is taken for any inaccuracy.